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Old 02-17-2009, 06:46 PM G33 is offline     #41 (permalink)
Scott,

Thanks for taking the time to look at my posts. I am very glad that you like the drawing.

Now as for the scale it's quite a long story. When I was younger I use my own easy and simple scale. (1 cm long = 10 metres, 1cm height = 1 deck.) It wasn't until about 2 years ago that I changed the scale. Simple enough. I now use a not proportional scale, still simple but it looks a lot better now. The new scale is 1cm = 3.75 metres and 1cm = 1 deck. But I often draw my plans half the size of the drawing I posted.

One of the things I find difficult is working out the facts and figures, such as the displacement and draught. As for the propulsion of the Verona I am still working on it. I think it might be a good idea to use pods, but I will bring it up in my next meeting.
I will be drawing some more detailed and underwater drawings soon, but for now I am still working on the basic information.

I did hear about the QM2 bulb being lengthen, very interesting, but I not sure how to work all this stuff out. I suppose it involves a lot of model testing. Is there anyway you could help me with working this sorting this information out ?

Kind regards

Harry.



Old 02-17-2009, 09:01 PM G33 is offline     #42 (permalink)
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:03 PM nealberk is online now     #43 (permalink)
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Thanks for that.


It's just that it is just my dream to have my own ships built. So I am going to work my hardest to get there.


Fingers cross anyway.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:06 PM G33 is offline     #44 (permalink)
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And best of luck. Drive and intelligence are two important components to realizing your dreams. You have both.
Thank you very much for that, it means a lot to me.



Old 02-17-2009, 09:17 PM G33 is offline     #45 (permalink)
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Welcome Harry love the Cruise ship look forward to the updates.

Harry I like the aft suites will the have private balcony's? or can we visits with the neighbors?
wineforhealth,

Keep you eyes peeled more about Verona's innovative staterooms classes coming very soon.
And yes there are suites in the aft, all with there own private balcony.

That's all you are getting out of me for now.



Old 02-17-2009, 11:16 PM laser110 is offline     #46 (permalink)
Harry,

An interesting scale indeed and sort of awkward to work with. Ship/boat design is alot of numbers. The numbers tell the story of the ship while the lines define the parameters of the story. A great set of lines is a beautiful as the finished product.

To figure out displacement by hand you would have to decide how many stations the ship would have, and then draw each station as a profile. A station is a point in the ship that cuts it bi-laterally and shows the hull shape. Often it is drawn at a important place in the hull where it changes shape and is necessary to define that shape.

Let's say you have 12 stations for your design. Station 1-6 (or A-F) would be drawn on the right side of the centerline, and stations 7-12 (or G-L) would be drawn on the left. These are called Hull Sections. Station 1 is always drawn where the hull meets the DWL(designed waterline) and worked back at set spacing determined by scale.

Once you have these lines drawn out you can then measure the underwater area using a planometer to figure out total underwater area for each station. Through a series of calculations then figure out the total underwater area of the vessel. This total area, again through a series of calculations, (I am simplifying here) can then be figured for the total displacement of the ship. A ship will displacement the amount of water equal to it's weight (Archamedies Principal)

Of course, a lot of N.A.'s use a computer program to do all this work for you, but if you don't know how to do it by hand, doing it on the computer is a useless exercise.

Everything you include in the vessel must be accounted for weight wise, so early decesions about propulsion are important, but not crucial, you can always chnage later, but remember this may mean recalculting some of your work.

One other thing I noticed in your drawing on page one, don't include things such as cranes in the background, lines showing the ship tied up, a pier etc. You are drawing a drawing to tell the story of the ship, not a painting, which maybe the course you eventually take. But, if the drawing is meant to be for the purpose of building, this is extra and distracting stuff not needed. You'll also find that this space could be used to draw out other aspects of the ship that are used to describe it as a working drawing. Occasionally a person(s) maybe ok to show scale, but on a cruise ship profile drawing, not necessary. A person used to show scale might come in useful if one of your drawings shows a profile layout of a public area or cabin where definitions of height are important.

Hope this helps some,

Scott

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Old 02-18-2009, 03:50 AM G33 is offline     #47 (permalink)
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Scott,


Thanks you very much for you time again.


All sounds very difficult, but I am sure I will manage it all one day very soon. And you are probably making it sound a lot more easier than it actually is.


A very very interesting read about the displacement of the ship. As for the computer work, I do have a small design program on my laptop at home that my school gave to me, although I must admit I am useless at it.


The Drawing on page one is just to give people an idea of what I can do and an overall impression how the ship might look. As for the propulsion, I think it will be a big decision for me to make myself so I will stick to just designing the basic deck plans for now, until I draw out the actual General Arrangement with all the areas of the ship in. That is one of the reasons for why I am just doing drawings and not actually plans at the moment, just to give people an idea, but without showing the underwater of the vessel because it will probably be changing a lot over time. But that is the beauty of design, it's always changing.


I will perhaps try to get a photo of the deck plans I draw last November, it only took me three weeks to draw the total of 15 passenger deck. But lucky I finished it just in time for my meeting with Richard Dixon, I only completed it the day before.


Thanks once again.


Kind regards,


Harry.



Old 02-18-2009, 04:44 AM G33 is offline     #48 (permalink)
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Hello everyone,


I will be introduction the different choice of staterooms guests will be offered on Verona very shortly.

The choice will be far greater than on most other cruise ships afloat today. There are staterooms for all types of guests sailing on Verona, from single cruisers and couple and many staterooms for large families travelling on board.



Old 02-18-2009, 06:53 AM Karl15s is offline     #49 (permalink)
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Scott,


Thanks you very much for you time again.


All sounds very difficult, but I am sure I will manage it all one day very soon. And you are probably making it sound a lot more easier than it actually is.


A very very interesting read about the displacement of the ship. As for the computer work, I do have a small design program on my laptop at home that my school gave to me, although I must admit I am useless at it.


The Drawing on page one is just to give people an idea of what I can do and an overall impression how the ship might look. As for the propulsion, I think it will be a big decision for me to make myself so I will stick to just designing the basic deck plans for now, until I draw out the actual General Arrangement with all the areas of the ship in. That is one of the reasons for why I am just doing drawings and not actually plans at the moment, just to give people an idea, but without showing the underwater of the vessel because it will probably be changing a lot over time. But that is the beauty of design, it's always changing.


I will perhaps try to get a photo of the deck plans I draw last November, it only took me three weeks to draw the total of 15 passenger deck. But lucky I finished it just in time for my meeting with Richard Dixon, I only completed it the day before.


Thanks once again.


Kind regards,


Harry.
Hey Harry,

I like the drawings and the plans for your ship they are really good, keep the good work up. I think everyone is useless at that program we got from school. It isn't very good haha.

Karl



Old 02-18-2009, 07:18 AM G33 is offline     #50 (permalink)
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Hi Karl,


Good to see you have been reaching Verona and I am glad you like what you have seen of her so far.


It's great to see another friendly face on here.


Harry



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