thanks all of you for the advice,  now just have to convince the husband.  I am always willing to try everything at least once. he's more cautious but will go along to make sure I "behave".
not sure if like the idea of them being debarbed, like a cat being declawed, they're so defenseless then, but also see the reasoning for it. the places that run these programs prob have to do it for ins. purposes.
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